Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Kiryas Shtet'l....NOT part II

Was the Rebbe zy”a trying to replicate a shtetl from the heim or an out-of-town Williamsburg???

Mr. Felberman (the Government relations coordinator) said KJ has a much higher population density than other villages in upstate NY. In other Orange County Villages a one family house is built on 1-3 acres of land, whereas in KJ up to 15 apartments are built on one acre!

…founded in 1974 comprising a mere handful of houses today it is home to more than 22,000 Satmar Khasidm…about 4000 families.

Eastern European shtetl’ekh , at least any that the Rebbe could possibly have known experientially, were small and diverse. Read any volume of the Yizkor Buch literature and you’ll find that the typical shtet’l boasted shteiblakh of MANY khasidic groups and had many secular parties including in many cases (SHUDDER) Zionist youth groups like Betar and HaShomer Hatzair. They also had non-Jewish residents albeit almost always as a minority and living in separate neighborhoods. Besides which, on market days when peasants would arrive from the countryside there was a daylong interaction between Jews and gentiles and men and women. and so in many significant ways interbellum stetlakh of eastern Europe were far less insular and monolithic than KJ.


In most cases the Jewish population of a shtet’l did not exceed 2500 souls. Once you got 3-4000 Jews living in a place you were generally talking about a Shtodt= city or town NOT a shtet’l.

And it seems that there are no plans for decentralization or more KJ type villages elsewhere. Square OTOH want to crates a second Square-Town on the site of the old Homowack. It seems that the only thing the town elders have in mind is expanding the current KJ.

Mr. Gedalye Szegdin (KJ Village administrator) said “They will have a housing problem because according to calculations the KJ population doubles every 11 years. This means that in a little over 22 years the population will be close to 100,000. "

Presuming that the current Rebbe and those in the community setting policy are hewing the Rebbes original vision then it seems clear that the dream of this so-called shtet’l was not to escape the blights of urbanity most people think of when imagining a rural village. No one moves to KJ to escape rush hour traffic, double and triple parking, the clamor of the EL trains, the tenement style architecture, humid summers and slushy winters. No one moves there with dreams of the split level ranch homes, a vegetable garden or farm animals in the backyard, good hunting and fly-fishing. No… the main attraction vis-à-vis Williamsburg or Boro Park seems to be the utter absence of Goyim, khasidim of other sects (non-khasidic Jews have long ago fled Williamsburg and Boro Park is increasingly Litvak-rein as well) or the stray runner or cyclist from artsy-Williamsburg clad in a tank-top and shorts.

Perhaps KJ is a materialization of the Rebbe zy”a’s dreams or perhaps it isn’t. But the facts on the ground point to a developing city that may or may not (depending on ones POV) incorporate the most valuable elements of shtet’l life but which is a far cry from an actual shtet’l.

While it is the height of presumption for me to opine…what’s a blog for if not to be a pundit in isolation? And so I conclude that KJ has failed the Rebbe’s vision. It is too large and insufficiently insular. A smaller village (or a string of 20-50 such villages) limited to a Khasidic elite willing to live by even higher khumra standards than the urban rank and file would’ve more in line with his dream. While a monolithic population of 100,000 will be a pretty impressive fiefdom and power base for the current Rebbe it will be too large for even an absolute monarch to micromanage and demand the highest standards from. I imagine that the Rebbe zy”a’s dream was exclusively for ריבוי כבוד שמים not for creating more גלילות for his great-nephew. So while it may not be his nightmare it can hardly be called his dream.


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11 comments:

JS said...

"It is too large and insufficiently insular."

Large I get, but not insular enough?

"A smaller village (or a string of 20-50 such villages) limited to a Khasidic elite willing to live by even higher khumra standards than the urban rank and file would’ve more in line with his dream."

What more khumras could they possibly take on? And why would the rebbe think it would be better?

JS said...

Fact is, all these rebbes are big on the vision, short on the planning.

It's one thing to drag a bunch of followers over, set up camp, and manage a small group. No one thinks about what will happen even a few years down the line when you've got 100,000 people living under Gaza-like conditions of population density and poverty.

The Bray of Fundie said...

More khumros?

cast out all bloggers.

sepreate sides of the street for men and women like in Square

No cars allowed.period. Live off of farming.

Gartels must be worn all your waking hours.

mandatory attendance at Khok or Ohr Hakhayim shiurim 2 hours before shakhris every day.

Fasting on behab.

Full shiva observances on Yom HaAtzmaut.

No bira d'tura except on Shabbos and YomTov.

The Bray of Fundie said...

I've gotta admit I'm incrdibly dissapointed that Tzig, Pusihter Yid and no other khasidisha or KJ BVloggers have reacted to either one of these posts.

Anonymous said...

My feeling is that to be totally insular you have to fly under the radar. By the Litveshe ,at any rate, the rule. Navardik being the exception. By playing the fool they hoped to impose insularity.
There sheer size and resulting government and program involvement makes this impossible.

Yidden are more urban - we couldn't own land in Europe - so perhaps a truly rural atmosphere wouldn't work as to a great extent it does for the Amish.

I wonder if your premise is valid that this was down for insularity as opposed to real estate prices.

Midwest

The Bray of Fundie said...

altz yakrus a more decentralized plan would have worked better.

Not Brisk said...

"and so in many significant ways interbellum stetlakh of eastern Europe were far less insular and monolithic than KJ."

True. But remember that they join the workforce.

It is a good point that they are only exposed to Satmar vis-a-vis the shtetlach of old

The Bray of Fundie said...

thus undoing much of the cross-cultural pollination that post-war Jewsih communities experienced.

The Bray of Fundie said...

Also ...for that oilem that has joined the workforce and commutes to the city to push Blackberries @ B&H photo for example what has been accomplished with all the insularity? They interact with the same goyim and prutzos as their Boro Park brethern.

Is the whole enterprise worth it for deferment of contamination by a few years?

Not Brisk said...

"what has been accomplished with all the insularity?"

The women affect the men

"Is the whole enterprise worth it for deferment of contamination by a few years?"

I think it was the Rov who said that there is nothing like not seeing. It is definetly worth it.

The counter is that they will be adversaly affected by the intial encounter, since they weren't prepped.. ad ifninitum/nauseaum. Interesting that those arguments are espoused by those who would opt for later exposure even if it wasn't necessary...

The Bray of Fundie said...

Somehow i think thatthe rebbes zy"a was more concerned with the bukhrim than withthe yingeleit and more concerned with either than with the vaiber.

But who knows...you could be right.