Wednesday, February 3, 2010

Our Insecurity is Showing

DISCALIMER: My good Bloggish pal and comrade in arms Not Brisk responded to a recent comment of mine by saying that he was planning to post on the following topic. But as...
A. I wrote about it first, albeit in a comment and
B. As my creative juices have been running dry lately, I've decided to jump the gun and post about it first. I hope that this will not be a considered a breach of bloggish etiquette.

As is the case with FFBs, BTs come in all ages, genders, shapes and sizes and from all walks of life. Yet with the exception of one former NFL veteran I am unaware of any "blue-collar" BT who has "made it big" on the lecture circuit or in the publication of seforim. To this societal observer it seems that for a BTs esteem and acceptance in Kharedi society, the better academically credentialed one is the better, and Oxford grads and Ivy-Leaguers על כולם .

Now this may be attributable to the fact that blue collar BTs or those who are not alumni of the Ivies are generally less intelligent and articulate and possess poorer communication skills than their Ivy-trained counterparts. They simply don't speak or write as well. But I think that there is something deeper and not a little bit ironic at work here, because, let's face it, in terms of Torah education even those BTs who have a rarified academic backgrounds are generally less educated and trained in various Torah disciplines than FFB Yeshiva alumni. The logical conclusion being that FFB Ponovezh and Lakewood graduates ought to be the most popular speakers and writers of all. But this is not the case.

What we have here is a Kharedi culture that contradicts itself and exposes it's own underconfidence and insecurity.

On the one hand secular studies and their students are routinely mocked, marginalized and even demonized. "Gai shoin, you know what kind of shtusim they teach in college?!?", "Gemora kep are ten times sharper than university students" "Feh, all they do there is get drunk and sleep around" , "I know a lot of college grads who are struggling for parnossa and a lot of successful geribeneh sokhrim who never graduated high school" are typical of the bromides one hears growing up in Yeshivas.

But on the other hand let someone who grew up frei and graduated Yale or Oxford become frum and, presto chango, his/her college education is magically transformed into a HUGE asset. Why? Becuase they make us feel validated. The more prestigious their pre-T'shuva school the more validated we become. It may never be articulated but the underlying insecure attitude that causes FFBs to genuflect to the Ivy-League BTs is "truth be told I've had my own doubts from time to time. But if someone as intelligent and profound as professor X has become a 'convert' then ours MUST be the true religion/mehalekh". It is a kind of perverse, inverted Emunas Khakhomim. Underconfident in our own fundamentals of faith/ particularistic ideologies we seek support and legitimacy from others who "know better".

The reason this is never articulated is because to draw the argument to its logical conclusion would mean the undoing of Yiddishkeit as we know it. After all, if only less than 3% of the Jewish Ivy Leaguers become BTs and yet we ascribe supreme intelligence to ALL of them then maybe the majority, who have maintained their distance from frumkeit, are on to something?

And so we're back to square one. Although in times of legal trouble we look for the shyster who graduated number one from Colombia Law and when struck lo alenu with daunting medical issues we want the top professor at a teaching hospital to treat us....Colleges and Universities remain, of course, cesspools of shtus v'hevel.
Qedusha-Havdala...Have you had YOURS today??? Hmmm???

19 comments:

E. Fink said...

Excellent post.

The Bray of Fundie said...

err.. thanks. Did you read it as the exposure of a hypocrisy wart or as a call to more strident self-confidence in Kharedi society?

E. Fink said...

Both!

Remember the story of the fellow escaping an attacker we talked about over lunch? We need more confidence.

AND it is time to stop bashing college. There are plenty of ways to get a higher education without partying and sleeping around... And you need a degree for a decent job in today's economic climate.

The Law said...

Very good.

E. Fink gave a good recommendation...

SoMeHoW Frum said...

...After all, if only less than 3% of the Jewish Ivy Leaguers become BTs and yet we ascribe supreme intelligence to ALL of them then maybe the majority, who have maintained their distance from frumkeit, are on to something?...

These people may be smart, but perhaps were never exposed to authentic Judaism. Even if they were exposed, they might have difficulty in changing their status quo due to peer pressure, or they just dont' think they can be Mekabel Ol Mitzvos.

As for the "lecture cicuit", people want to hear about "man bites dog". We want to know why the priest became frum or the gifted Yale lawyer became an orthodox writer. The average layman is not interested in a shiur on Tokfu Kohen...and the average ben torah is not interested in taking his chidushim on tour.

N said...

I'm not sure I agree with this, not here in London at least. The Charedim don't acknowledge the kiruv programs or Baalei Tshuva, and the more modern types who tend to be educated welcome them....

The Bray of Fundie said...

These people may be smart, but perhaps were never exposed to authentic Judaism. Even if they were exposed, they might have difficulty in changing their status quo due to peer pressure, or they just dont' think they can be Mekabel Ol Mitzvos.

Or... they may have been exposed and were unimpressed writing it all off as primitive superstition. I'm not saying that this isn't their Yetzer Haras at work getting the better of them but let's not denigrate their educations because they chose to stay frei.

As for the "lecture cicuit", people want to hear about "man bites dog".

An educated laity wants to hear from recognized authorities in the feild.

We want to know why the priest became frum or the gifted Yale lawyer became an orthodox writer.
The autobiographical talks comprise only a small portion of the lecture circuit.

The average layman is not interested in a shiur on Tokfu Kohen...

True even of plenty who tumeled in it in their youth but aren't presently kokhing in the sugya.

and the average ben torah is not interested in taking his chidushim on tour.

Perhaps but I'm talking about talks on inyanei Hashqafa and self-improvement, which make up the vast majority of Jewish lectures out there today and which are shava l'khol nefesh and moshkhim es halev.

Why is it that the only place one can hear Rav Yeruchams shiurim outside of Yeshiva or Seminary walls is from a BT presenter who, surprise surprise, did post-graduate studies at Harvard?

http://www.ravyerucham.com/

http://www.lawrencekelemen.com/about.asp

Wouldn't a talmid of rav Meir Stren or Be'er Yaakov be more qualified?

The Bray of Fundie said...

N-

You make a good point and sight unseen I presume you speak of Stamford Hill. The phenomenon I described in my post is almost exclusively a Yeshivasha one and Khasidim have little use for former academic BTs.

But my last paragraph applies IMO even more to Khasidim than to Yeshivasha.

E. Fink said...

Why is it that the only place one can hear Rav Yeruchams shiurim outside of Yeshiva or Seminary walls is from a BT presenter who, surprise surprise, did post-graduate studies at Harvard?

http://www.ravyerucham.com/

http://www.lawrencekelemen.com/about.asp

Wouldn't a talmid of rav Meir Stren or Be'er Yaakov be more qualified?


But invariably less eloquent.

Rav Keleman is one of the best presenters of Torah I have ever encountered. It may be his education or he just be have a gift.

You'll be hard pressed to find an eloquent FFB yeshivishe speaker. (I dream of being that person one day... )

E. Fink said...
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The Bray of Fundie said...

because it was a dup of the one before it.

Rabbi Fink you're making my point I believe. Only gifted people end up in Harvard but no one ought to say that his Harvard education had nothing to do with his eloquence any more than one would say that having learned by the Brisker Rov had nothing to do with a particular TKs lomdus.

JS said...

Yes. Yes. Yes. Excellent post.

I've felt the same way for years. My sister in law is into all of these BT lecturers who make the tour through the area and, invariably, the better secularly educated and the more highly esteemed their secular accomplishments the bigger draw the person is. This is to the point of BT who is Harvard educated and just giving a talk on his life and "finding God" is a bigger draw and a more exciting speech than a big name rabbi giving an important shiur.

The irony you pointed out is so dead on. I would add that this is true (or is creeping in) to the MO world as well. You hear the same nonsense about secular colleges - all sex, all drinking, etc. The MO answer is increasingly becoming YU and Stern.

The "smarter" and "more accomplished" the BT, the better. Bonus points if the person used to be a scientist who believed in the Big Bang and/or evolution. The greater irony is that the frum wouldn't even talk to such a person before their transformation. Again, even true of MO kids on Ivy college campuses who keep to their frum enclaves and don't really associate with the Conservative, Reform, or secular kids.

Rabbi Fink (and you) are right. A little more self-confidence would be nice as well as a little less disdain for secular education.

Izgad said...

This is an issue that challenges Christians as well (http://izgad.blogspot.com/2009/10/frank-schaeffer-and-humanities-question.html).

The Bray of Fundie said...

l'havdil

E. Fink said...

A little more self-confidence would be nice as well as a little less disdain for secular education.

And how about a little more eloquence from the FFB Torah scholars?

The Bray of Fundie said...

no eloquence absent an aesthetic sensibility. As long as beuty is vain beautiful rhetoric will remain exercises in vanity.

Rav Shlomo Freifeld, who possessed an acute aesthetic sensibility had a kind of rough-hewn eloquence in his speeches and shmuzen.

N said...

Surprisingly, I'm actually referring to Hendon/Golders Green, I wasn't even thinking about Stamford Hill, but that goes doubly so there.

jonathan becker said...

e.fink: "There are plenty of ways to get a higher education without partying and sleeping around"

not for the last 600 years and not likely for the next 600 either. boo-ya!

great post, tho.

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