Tuesday, June 22, 2010

The Holy Rimanover, Dinover, The OTD Crisis and the Hechsher Tzedek

Second only to the Shidduch crisis, the Kids-at-Risk Crisis/OTD youth is the issue that roils the contemporary Frum community like no other. Ancillary to this crisis is another "issue" which is, in fact, far more widespread but neither as dramatic nor, superficially, as tragic as OTD. I refer to the problem of students of great potential who just don't pan out or that flame out young and continue with pro forma lives of Torah and Mitzvos. I'm not necessarily speaking about the Converso Orthoprax in our midst. I'm referring to the many Yeshiva and Bais Yaakov products whose scholarship, bren=ardor and yiras shomayim, while present, are best described as mediocre or stunted through arrested development.

Many TKs, professional educators, sociologists and psychologists have spilled oceans of ink analyzing the causes of this pan-societal problem and proposing solutions. As I answer to none of these descriptions I would not forward an analysis of my own. But it seems that this problem is not new (although it may never have been as acute as it is today) and that the great Reb Mendeleh Rimanover zy"a had spoken out on the issue at some point in the late 18th or early 19th century and I think we'd do well to listen to what he has to say on the topic.

I found something in Agra D'pirka 126 by the Holy Dinover (AKA the Bnei Yisoskhor) , quoting his Rebbe, that got me thinking that, perhaps, the idealistic animating idea (if one, indeed, exists) behind the Hekhsher Tzedek may have something to it. This passage connects the dots between good business ethics and seeing true Yiddisha Nachas from our children.

אמר כבוד אדמו״ר הרב הק׳ מהרמ״מ על מה שחוא מן התימא שאנחנו רואין כמה פעמים הילדים בקטנותם הולכים לבית רבם ומתמידים בלמוד תורתם ומתפללים בכוונה ועונים איש״ר ואמן ומיישרים אורחותם ואח״כ כשמתגדלים מתהפכים ח״ו במדות גרועות ומבטלים התורה והתפלה וכיוצא ומאין יתהווה זה ? הרי התורה שלמדו בקטנותם והוא הבל שאין בו חטא היה מהראוי שתעמוד למשען להם ויוסיפו אומץ בנפשותם כי מצוה גוררת מצוה. ואמר הוא ז״ל שהוא על שאבותיהם האכילו אותם ממון גזל שסיגלו ע״י מו״מ שאינו באמונה ונתפטמו באיסורים ושב להם לבשר מבשרם ועי״ז נולדים תאות ומדות גרועות. והביא ראי׳ מזפק העוף על שנהנה מן הגזל לא נתקרב לגבי המזבח כי לא לרצון יהיה והגם שהעוף לא נצטוה הנה הש״י
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חמס עכ״ד
My humble adaptation:

"My Teacher and Master thought it odd that although many young students show great promise in their youth, learning diligently, praying with concentration and passion responding to kaddish et al that they often grow up possessed of nasty middos=character traits and neither learning nor davening properly. How could this happen? Why doesn't the Torah that they exuded in purity and free from the taint of sin as youngsters set a benevolent cycle of ever escalating Mitzvos, Torah and Avodah in motion that would allow them to mature into holy individuals? I think the answer lies in their diet. Specifically nutrition obtained through the ill-gotten profits of shady business practices. You are what you eat and the Tumah inherent in such food engenders terrible middos in those nurtured on this diet. Note the Zefek /Moorah = crop of the Bird Olah (= holocaust/burnt offering) that is cast away before the bird is put on the altar. Why? Because we assume that, unlike bovines, sheep and goats, birds "grazed" by stealing from private property and that the stolen food lodges in the Zefek. As G-d hates theft and covetousness He rejects offerings that incorporate theft. If this is true of birds who lack free-will how much truer must it be of humans who, lacking a crop, have incorporated theft into the very fiber of their beings. These theft-obtained nutrients warp and degrade them such that they are alienated from HaShem and can no longer draw near to him."

Now I've heard analysis similar to this vis a vis the actual ritual Kashrus of foods. Khaza"l revealed to us that forbidden foods are מטמטם את הלב = " 'stuff' the heart" i.e. impede the "understanding hearts" ability to absorb Torah and refinement (IIRC when the Khalav S'tam Similac controversy began 30+ years ago the Debritziner Rov z"l quoted an Ohr haChaim HaQadosh saying that Torah scholarship had suffered in his countries torrid climate because of Tolaim infestation in their foods) but I had never seen a reliable source of note posit causality between diets purchased through financial chicanery and arrested spiritual development.

Now theft, usury, fraud, bait-and-switch, affinity schemes etc. are all forbidden by the Torah and one ought to avoid them on their own merits. Still, doing what's right because its right is, sadly, seldom a powerful motivation. Yet in an era such as ours wherein "whats-in-it-for-me?" Segulah chasing reigns supreme I post this Rimanover thinking that folks might lend an ear to "newly discovered" negative segulohs as well; i.e. not things to do or contributions to make, but things to avoid and deals to pass up. After all the author of this idea is not Solomon Schechter, A. J. Heschel, Morris Allen or Shmuel Herzfeld...it is none other than the Holy Rimanover. It has always been my fondest dream that my posts get attention and even go viral in the J-Blogosphere/ among Jewish emailers. But never so much as this one.

Addendum clarification: I'm not suggesting that all OTDs are attributable to being raised on food purchased through money earned by sub-pristine business ethics. But I think that some of the mediocrity of contemporary Jewry is attributable to this as it was in the days of the Rimanover. Furthermore this is not an appeal for promoting the Hekhsher Tzedek but a call to parents of school age children in particular to improve their business ethics for to what avail is a steak purchased from an "Ethical" meat-packer if the dollars used to purchase it were obtained through a Ponzi Scheme? This post should NOT be construed as an attack on Sholom Rubashkin who is the victim of a miscarriage of justice of Ruthian proportions. I'm convinced that a hanging tough-on-crime judge threw the book at him unjustly and hope and pray that his conviction and sentence are overturned.
Qedusha-Havdala...have you had YOURS today??? Hmmm???

26 comments:

5 years said...

It's difficult to attribute this to food intake, as family members usually all partake primarily of the same victuals, yet only a percentage may go OTD.

If you need some publicity, why not nominate yourself to the haveil havolim blog roundup, or notify rafi of the lifeinisrael blog to include you in his roundup.

The Bray of Fundie said...

A. I was referring more to the Rimanovers problem than to OTD per se but your kasha is a good one.

B. It is equally shver on the majority of other causes proposed about the problem. And I was certainly not suggesting that this is a magic bullet.

If a parent is nosei v'nosein be'emunah but then allows their children unfettered and unfiltered internet access the results will not be pretty. I'm just saying that I've never heard this factor mentioned before or even being considered part of the equation.

Shkoyakh for the eitzas. Of course I need publicity/attention.

Tzipporah said...

Bray, as someone who does NOT subscribe the idea that there's some mystical, metaphysical "essence" carried through our food into our behavior, I don't quite buy your argument.

Let me propose the following, instead:

Yeshiva bokhurs and Bais Yaakov products who at first have all the ardor of innocent youth grow, and mature, and over time see that some of their models (parents, rabbis, etc.) do not always practice what they preach. That, in fact, the people who praise "good middos" say nasty things about other Jews, or don't treat everyone equally, or with respect. (Emmanual school, perhaps?)

They are smart enough to feel this discrepancy keenly, and loyal enough not to leave the derech. But you're right, they are stunted.

OTOH, those children in environments where their parents and teachers are open about their struggles with middos, ethics, and religious doubt, such as those who promote a hechsher tzedek, learn that the struggle is part of being a Jew. They may not have the unquestioning faith as children that the Bais Yaakovers and Yeshiva boys do, but they are more well-equipped to live their religious lives as thinking and feeling adults, continuing to struggle with these issues every day as they make decisions about what to buy, what to make, how to spend their time, etc.

Just something to think about.

Anonymous said...

"as someone who does NOT subscribe the idea that there's some mystical, metaphysical "essence" carried through our food into our behavior"

you are qedusha-havdala helpless.

5 years said...

When are we going to hear from Mr. Fred Macdowell?

The Bray of Fundie said...

Lady-Bird-
You are entitled to your opinion but it doesn't really sway me and has been said before by the myriads of professionals that have opined on the subject.

The Rimanover does sway me and though I thank you kindly for this thoughtful comment and invite many more the post is directed first and foremost to like-minded fundie individuals who have a firm belief in metaphysics and are deeply impressed by the words of a revered Khasidic master of the golden era.

Stay tuned for a clarification addendum up in a few minutes

The Bray of Fundie said...

They are smart enough to feel this discrepancy keenly, and loyal enough not to leave the derech. But you're right, they are stunted.

Have you ever been to Boro Park or Lakewood? You slander whole societies that you lack first hand knowledge of.

OTOH, those children in environments where their parents and teachers are open about their struggles with middos, ethics, and religious doubt,

i will own to the fact that the average yeshiva kheder Rebbee or BY morah does not share the ideas of religious doubt with their young charges. It is not age appropriate. Piaget would not approve.

As for struggling with ethics and middos, again you manifest a total ignorance of the Yeshiva bais Yaakov school system as these topics are emphasized form day one.

The Bray of Fundie said...

Mr. Fred McDowell

Nu Mississippi... How about it?

A Pusheter Yid said...

When a father sires 10 children because birth control is against God’s plan, and holds a low-paying job because he never attended a college where he might take classes with goyim or hear the word evolution, and his daughters wouldn’t help out by looking for work in an office with an Internet connection, and pays thousands to marry off his children at a young age so that the golden chain doesn’t get broken, and his only plans for supporting this lifestyle is through bitochon, “God will certainly help”, and when the helps comes in the form of cheated taxes, working off the books, and fraudulent welfare applications, this is what shakes a child’s faith, and this might be the intention of RR Mendele.

The Bray of Fundie said...

There was welfare in 19th century Bessarabia?

i hear your pain but i somehow doubt that this was his intention.

A Pusheter Yid said...

I doubt there was, but God's help could have come in other glorious ways, such as smuggling or brewing illegal hooch.

JS said...

It's kind of hard to respond here since you've already made it clear you only want to hear opinions related to the idea that food, purchased through theft, has adverse spiritual effects on those who ingest it.

However, I think your translation misses a detail. The quote is: "And he said, may his memory be blessed, 'it [the fault/blame] is on the fathers who fed their children with stolen money that they acquired through dishonest business dealings. The fathers fattened their children with iniquities (prohibited deeds) and it has become incorporated into their very flesh. This is why the children have grown into bad desires and ruinous characteristics.'"

So while there is perhaps a spiritual aspect to what happens, there is also blame placed on the father. To be more clear, he doesn't merely say "they ate food purchased through theft." He emphatically blames the father for FEEDING the children food acquired through theft. There is a strong familial element you're missing and thus I wouldn't be so quick to say the Rimanover is only speaking spiritually and is not also attributing the damage to the hypocrisy of the home.

The Bray of Fundie said...

Pusheter- I'm more inclined to think that the Rimanover was referring to Jew on Jew g'naivisher shtik.

JS- read the piece to the end. I think that you're torturing the text and superimposing contemporary psychobabble on an overtly Qabalistic explanation.

Tzipporah said...

"Have you ever been to Boro Park or Lakewood? You slander whole societies that you lack first hand knowledge of."

Bray, come on! I'm commenting on the hypothetical children in your hypothetical mystical explanation! I don't mean to say anything about any actual children I've never met. Your own quote:
"are best described as mediocre or stunted through arrested development."

Tzipporah said...

"He emphatically blames the father for FEEDING the children food acquired through theft."

JS, well, clearly here the problem is fathers doing the feeding. Shouldn't they be immersed in holy Toirah while the MOTHERS stay in the kitchen with the children?? (/snark)

The Bray of Fundie said...

My observation is of the ned product of the students not the alleged hypocrisy of the parents that they are "picking up on".

And as if there are no hypocrites among Conservative and reform parents. What a laugh! O and BTW what I describe as mediocrity for the Ortho education system would present a Jewish IQ approachable by only the most illustrious "rabbis" in the non-Orthodox branches.

The ignorance of Torah, Halakha and Jewish law and lore in those branches is abysmal as it is abominable.

Amshinov 2 said...

U can say it...SMR father, brother.and chasan all serious ethecal problems...i worry more for yonasan pollard...

Tzipporah said...

Bray, why do you suddenly have you panties in a twist? You invited me to come read and comment, and I did so.

I don't plan to come back if you're just going to be rude and insulting without provocation.

The Bray of Fundie said...

You call this unprovoked?

over time see that some of their models (parents, rabbis, etc.) do not always practice what they preach. That, in fact, the people who praise "good middos" say nasty things about other Jews,


Those are MY people you're talking about. Dems fightin' words

JS said...

Bray,

I don't get why you're jumping all over Tzip. I think hypocrisy is a reasonable explanation and in line with what the Rimanover says (more on this later). She never said only a particular sub-sub-group has hypocrisy. What she did say is that this sub-sub-group doesn't allow open debate and discussion about some of the things young students may find hypocritical or morally repugnant. For example, is it acceptable to question the laws of mesirah when it comes to not turning over suspected pedophiles? As another example, is it acceptable to wonder aloud whether Rubashkin got what was coming to him? I think this what Tzip was getting at.

As for the remainder of the Rimanover, I understood it as an extension of the idea that the theft has become incorporated into the children's flesh. What I believe he is saying is that both spiritually and physically, the theft is a part of them. By growing up in a household where theft is sanctioned, their minds and souls are warped. Theft is a part of who they are. Just like God rejects the "crop" of the bird, God rejects the flesh of the child that is tainted by theft. So, not only does the theft lead the child to distance himself from God (by acquiring bad characteristics), but God distances Himself from the child as well.

The Bray of Fundie said...

How many children of white collar crooks do you think are even aware of their dad's financial chicanery?

I'd hazard that the bigger the crook the less his kids are on to him.

Tzipporah said...

Thanks, JS. I think Bray would have figured that out if he hadn't suddenly got all "my people"d up.

Anonymous said...

IMHO there is a basic error in your question - as to why some kids go bad. You assume that if we do everything right then the kids are going to be fine.


Tanach is full of counter examples from esav to menashe.

We need Zchusim and Siyate Dishmaye.

This is not to say that we have no responsibility, but I would not always blame parents.

Your reading that there is Timtum Halev with Gezel particularly if it was the food was not stolen seems problematic. I know nothing about it timtum halev , but I'm pretty sure the esrog would be kosher.

It would seem much more probable that, as one of your writers has suggested, that the Zchus drain of being a thief is more probable.

Tosphes brings down a Yirushalmi that explains that the reason Achar 's Torah did not protect him was that at his Bris the Tanayim were talking in learning and they were surrounded by fire. His father was so impressed he dedicted him to learning as well. This was not considered Torah lishma.

Rabenu B'chai points out that Hevel's Korban was brought with some degree of Kina of Kain - actually comparing him to Korach - who was the first to bring an offering , thus explaining his death.

Yiddishkeit is not a religion of entitlement.

Midwest

The Bray of Fundie said...

everything that you wrote about kids going bad even when parents do everything right is emmes v'yatziv. All I'm suggesting by citing this Rimanover is that there are parenst who think that they are doing everything right...i.e. no internet, no TV, no video games, best Khadorim and Batei Yaakov, learning "extra" with a EB, closely monitoring the circle of friends and their activities, role modeling Torah V'Avodah, positive reinforcement (Have i left anything out?) But if the living is earned through geneivisha shtick then, per this Rimanover, the parents are still NOT doing "everything right".


Your reading that there is Timtum Halev with Gezel particularly if it was the food was not stolen seems problematic. I know nothing about it timtum halev , but I'm pretty sure the esrog would be kosher.

It would seem much more probable that, as one of your writers has suggested, that the Zchus drain of being a thief is more probable.


here I must once again disagree. perhaps my tzushtell of the very specific terminology of "timtum HaLev" was rash. But the Rimanover himself does state that
this sounds remarkably close to (my understanding of) the metaphysics of timtum halev. This is IMO not interpretive but just reading and translating. To attribute the midos geruos to indirect z'khus diminution when the Rimanover compared it to the far more direct cause and effect of the "thieving" zefek of the Olas HaOf is IMO torturing the text.

I don't understand what your trying to accomplish anyway? provide a salve to the conscience of those Jews practicing financial chicanery? If this Dinover had never been written and if there were NO OTD/ mediocrity crisis we ought to be dissuading our fellow Yidden from gezel, geneiva, onoah and khomos by all available means.

Isha Shiri said...

Hello

Well, nothing that comes from bad can be good. Children do not know this, so, HaShem can not punish the children. But the one who buys goods and foods with the evil of taking others, this will be punished sooner or later.

Shalom & Mazal Tov

Anonymous said...

Bray , on the contrary I pointed out that acher Torah didn't save him because there was a very minor, in our understanding, lack of lishma. Is your opinion that I can eat chazer, be mchallel shabos and have a mistress on the side it won't affect my kids because I didn't feed them Gezel.

If you wish to say that there are 2 problems with Gezel, the avera and timtum halev , thats OK. My real problem with your approach is that you are reducing reducing Yiddishkeit to Segulos and Counter Segulos rather than Mitzvos and Averos.

Midwest